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kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. what the white house is hoping to do is try to generate momentum or at least a conversation among some of the rank and file republicans. the reality is at a certain point he needs the republican leadership. he can't completely avoid having conversations with them. >> chris: whatever the president's motivation, the real question is, is there any basis for a deal here? is there a bridge that can be crossed on this? i was struck listening to paul ryan. he has obama care being repealed. he still wants the medicare structural reform. the premium supports. as he called it. others call it vouchers. i know the white house they at the talk about tax reform as opposed to ryan talk about keeping the rates up. not low aring rates just doing away with the loopholes so it is another tax increase. is there a deal there? >> i think it as cass many and the president picked lindsey graham to be the one to put the dinner together for a reason. he said he is open to new revenues which, of course, conserv
kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. what the white house is hoping to do is try to generate momentum or at least a conversation among some of the rank and file republicans. the reality is at a certain point he needs the republican leadership. he can't completely avoid having conversations with them. >> chris: whatever the president's motivation, the real question is, is there any basis for a deal here? is there a bridge that can be crossed on this? i was struck listening to paul ryan. he has...
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let's hear a little more of senator lindsey graham. >> he's a man to himself. you got to remember, senator paul was the one senator who voted against a resolution that said the policy of the united states will not be to contain a nuclear capable iran. >> david, is this a sign of old gop versus newer guard of the gop? >> no. actually it's not. there's always been a split on the conservative movement within the republican party between interventionist republicans, neocons, and those who are isolationists. whether it's patrick buchanan or rand paul and others, some of whom have raised fourth amendment issues when it comes to things domestically. and this -- we've just never had these guys get the platform the way rand paul has seized it. and i think it makes john mccain and lindsey graham quite nervous because rand paul is, indeed, appealing to some tea party types, libertarian types, noninterventionist conservatives, as well as the wacky black helicopter types who fueled the militia movement back in the '90s, and they want to try to keep him in check i think for
let's hear a little more of senator lindsey graham. >> he's a man to himself. you got to remember, senator paul was the one senator who voted against a resolution that said the policy of the united states will not be to contain a nuclear capable iran. >> david, is this a sign of old gop versus newer guard of the gop? >> no. actually it's not. there's always been a split on the conservative movement within the republican party between interventionist republicans, neocons, and...
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and those are going to be attending this dinner tonight have been invited by the president lindsey graham really made this guest list. these are republican who is are perceived as being open or at least willing to talk about compromise when it comes to the budget issues when it comes to averting the sequester. also it's important to open to compromise to things like immigration reform, gun control. those are some of the items that are going to be on the agenda. but certainly the budget, a grand bargain will be the main course at tonight's dinner when president obama sits down with those 12 republicans. but, of course, this is sort of a larger outreach than we have seen in the past. we expect it to continue in the coming days and weeks. martin. >> kristen welker at the white house, thank you. here in new york is josh barrow and professor james peterson. professor, the president challenging critics who call him aloof and disengaged reaching out to the opposing side offering what's expected to be a real plan of entitlement cuts and new revenues. could tonight be the start of something big? >
and those are going to be attending this dinner tonight have been invited by the president lindsey graham really made this guest list. these are republican who is are perceived as being open or at least willing to talk about compromise when it comes to the budget issues when it comes to averting the sequester. also it's important to open to compromise to things like immigration reform, gun control. those are some of the items that are going to be on the agenda. but certainly the budget, a grand...
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that's the real lindsey graham/rand paul divide. and that's why in some ways democrats can't say this but they're actually quietly ok with the sequester. what it does is it cuts defense in a way -- the political process would not be able to do. obviously obama has always wanted this grand bargain. the politics is not been able to work for it. but he's also said -- chris: isn't this the bargain? isn't this second best solution by both sigh, this sequester? >> yes. chris: is this the solution? >> if the depresses demand too much -- chris: it's not doing that apparently. >> if it doesn't, i'm all for it. >> there's a possibility to adjust among different budget counts talking to people who run our military services, talking to people in the intelligence community, they do have real problems and they're not going to be able to watch a spy satellite. they're having trouble juggling ship positions. chris: my question goes back to you, is there incentive enough for both parties to give, real gliv until it hurts? the fact the republicans ha
that's the real lindsey graham/rand paul divide. and that's why in some ways democrats can't say this but they're actually quietly ok with the sequester. what it does is it cuts defense in a way -- the political process would not be able to do. obviously obama has always wanted this grand bargain. the politics is not been able to work for it. but he's also said -- chris: isn't this the bargain? isn't this second best solution by both sigh, this sequester? >> yes. chris: is this the...
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i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and time again. the president knows that. those folks in the white house know that. john boehner can't get a deal done because he doesn't have the support of his caucus. so let's go to the members of that caucus who could potentially put a deal together. there's no other option. this is the way it has to be done. and i think it's very smart what he's doing. >> michael steele, do you have an incisive analytical comment to make disguised as a question? >> no. look, i picked myself up off the floor after reading gene's piece this morning. you know, gene, brot
i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and...
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lindsey graham had a response to that today. here it is. >> to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. not senator paul. he's a man to himself. he has a view that i don't think is a republican view. i think is a legitimately held libertarian view. >> is this where the republican party is headed, a libertarian cam. and a traditional camp? i mean, the hypocrisy of, you know, a couple of these senators getting up, standing with rand paul on this. probably just to keep the filibuster going. but it just seems that they have really identified to the american people they've got an identity crisis, they don't even know where they stand on the use of military action if they've got the wrong president in there. >> look, certainly you have the libertarian camp and the national security camp for lack of a better word. rand paul versus mccain you're talking about. but look at now the immigration thing. some of them are coming out saying we need to change that. a lot of them are saying no, under no c
lindsey graham had a response to that today. here it is. >> to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. not senator paul. he's a man to himself. he has a view that i don't think is a republican view. i think is a legitimately held libertarian view. >> is this where the republican party is headed, a libertarian cam. and a traditional camp? i mean, the hypocrisy of, you know, a couple of these senators getting up, standing with rand paul on...
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although lindsey graham is also up for re-election. it is about trying to put a patchwork together. to not keep repeating the same issues. as richard point the out, you can't make him a one-term president anymore, so put that playbook away. start where we are now. positions people held over the last several years, some of it's relevant, some it not as much. you sort of have to be in the moment, and there is an urgency about trying to get a long-term deal. i think they've taken so many swings that the and failed, people are approaching it with a different attitude. at least some of the group that was a part of this last night. giving them all credit for sitting down, the president did make this happen. they went and attended. we heard from speaker boehner today about the ryan lunch saying he is not taking any message from me. the speaker thoroughly appreciates the fact that the president is talking to members, not just going through leadership. you know, we can make this a data point of bipart sfwlanship in what will be a long set of negotiations. >> we will take as many data points
although lindsey graham is also up for re-election. it is about trying to put a patchwork together. to not keep repeating the same issues. as richard point the out, you can't make him a one-term president anymore, so put that playbook away. start where we are now. positions people held over the last several years, some of it's relevant, some it not as much. you sort of have to be in the moment, and there is an urgency about trying to get a long-term deal. i think they've taken so many swings...
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lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do that. where this goes, i don't know. >> see how to explain the whole thing. almost apologizing for meeting with the president. the president will meet separately with the democratic and republican caucuses in both the house and the senate. joining me right now nia-malika henderson who covers all this. and former mayor willie brown. thank you for joining us. i want to talk about the appearance of this and the reality of this, which is more important? >> it is the appearance of it. for all reasons fall beyond anything we can ever fathom, this is the kind of thing that should have been done from the first day that the president was elected. he should have been able to develop a relationship with every person holding office one on one
lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do that. where this goes, i don't know. >> see how to explain the whole thing. almost apologizing for meeting with the president. the president will meet separately with the...
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surprised to hear lindsey graham say that. we'll talk about rand paul but he's a thorn in the side about rand paul and the president -- this is what happened, the president saw tom brokaw, bill keller of the washington times and washington post and these liberal institutions and people, a little to the left saying, it looks like a campaign. >> chris: even the peanut gallery. >> this is a campaign here, you just got elected, a second term now and it is time to get something done and when people on the left, slightly on the left are saying that, the president said, actually, i have to make it looks like, charm offensive, whatever you want to call it. breaking bread but the fact he has to go around leadership, even the second term, why do you have to go around leadership? it is what it is. that is the world as it exists and i know he says he doesn't want to be dictator. he's not and can't wave a wand and get everything done, and the fact is you have to deal with the players on the chess board. boehner and mcconnell aed the leader
surprised to hear lindsey graham say that. we'll talk about rand paul but he's a thorn in the side about rand paul and the president -- this is what happened, the president saw tom brokaw, bill keller of the washington times and washington post and these liberal institutions and people, a little to the left saying, it looks like a campaign. >> chris: even the peanut gallery. >> this is a campaign here, you just got elected, a second term now and it is time to get something done and...
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meanwhile, lindsey graham, intra-party scold got a _#of his own. primary graham. if there was any question about just how tense it might be in the upper chamber, the "new york times" ran this photo showing paul and mccain sharing an elevator ride after the elder senator accused the kentucky sion of disservice. hash tag, awkward. stephanie, we have talked ad nauz yum at this point about the lower chamber and the raucus caucus and how difficult a job speaker john boehner has in his words getting the frogs in the wheelbarrow. but this week i think exposed some serious changes, if not a rift within the elder wing -- the elder sort of establishment wing of the republican party in the upper chamber. not just on sequester but with the rand paul talky filibuster. >> i was pleased see that picture because normally there's a democrat standing there getting a scowl. >> i've been on elevators like that myself. you know, i think that, you know, i appreciate what senator mccain and senator graham were trying to say. under no circumstances are americans at home in danger of gett
meanwhile, lindsey graham, intra-party scold got a _#of his own. primary graham. if there was any question about just how tense it might be in the upper chamber, the "new york times" ran this photo showing paul and mccain sharing an elevator ride after the elder senator accused the kentucky sion of disservice. hash tag, awkward. stephanie, we have talked ad nauz yum at this point about the lower chamber and the raucus caucus and how difficult a job speaker john boehner has in his...
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. >> schieffer: senator lindsey graham said he would support a grand bargain that includes increased revenue as long as there are spending cuts. >> we had tax reforms which helps grow the economy which is historically weak, the weakest economic recovery since the great depression. tax reform will help the folks on bottom rung of the bottom of the ladder get up to the second and third rung. so that's needed. it provides us the ability as republicans saying we're getting the growth up on the of the taxes and along with entitlement reform we would be willing to put more revenue on the table. the super commit, we did that. the problem right now is we don't see from the president any structural changes in the unsustainable course on entitlements-- we see the request for more and more taxes at a time when we raised taxes $620 billion on the american economy. >> schieffer: what about that, congressman? are you going to have to do more on the entitlements than democrats have suggested doing thus far? >> we are, and the president has proposed that. the difference is a difference in approach w
. >> schieffer: senator lindsey graham said he would support a grand bargain that includes increased revenue as long as there are spending cuts. >> we had tax reforms which helps grow the economy which is historically weak, the weakest economic recovery since the great depression. tax reform will help the folks on bottom rung of the bottom of the ladder get up to the second and third rung. so that's needed. it provides us the ability as republicans saying we're getting the growth up...
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this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is something that we want, but when we hear senator mccain mentioning the u.s. citizen that was killed in 2011, there was an op-ed piece in "wall street journal" "wall street journal" talking about what it means to be an enemy combatant. he was considered to be an enemy combatant, but in yemen. can a drone be used here if an enemy combatant is on american soil here. how will the conversation go? >> i think these are fundamental questions that have not been debated in the united states when it comes to applies the drone policy overseas. this is part of the criticism that many have against the united states
this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is...
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republican senator lindsey graham says he just spoke with the president by phone. take a listen to what he said. >> i'm very encouraged by what i've seen from the president in terms of substance and tone. he's calling people. this is how you solve hard problems. what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i have seen since the early years of his presidency. >> i'm really sorry to repeat history, but haven't we seen this before? the president compromises. the president goes to extreme lengths and guess what happens? the sequester happens. or there's a fight other the debt ceiling, or the continuing resolution will be brutal. what's the point? >> well, you have got a good point. essentially graham is one of the folks who is saying we have to have more revenues. he said he's open to $600 billion to revenues and the president is trying to reach out and see if that can be done. the situation we're in now is paul ryan has essentially a dog ate the homework kind of budget. nobody has to take responsible for these brutal cuts th
republican senator lindsey graham says he just spoke with the president by phone. take a listen to what he said. >> i'm very encouraged by what i've seen from the president in terms of substance and tone. he's calling people. this is how you solve hard problems. what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i have seen since the early years of his presidency. >> i'm really sorry to repeat history, but haven't we seen this before? the...
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graham because john mccain is upset then lindsey is upset too. oh, yeah and the go ahead that john mccain -- in fact -- went on actually to call at it disservice to raise this issue. >> so we have done i think a disservice to a lot of americans by make them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. >> by the way, what have republicans done for the past five or six years? making their terrified that the government is going to take your guns. everyone wants to take over your lives. >> bill: yeah, that's all they do is the scare tactic and rand paul was responding to later from the attorney general of the united states who said we have the legal authority to kill americans on american soil with a drone. jesus, that's worth raising the question about it. and it was john mccain and lindsey graham, what service do they provide by raising the big issue of benghazi and accusing president obama for being responsible for the death of ambassador stephens when the congress had cut the funding. so they made a huge phony deal
graham because john mccain is upset then lindsey is upset too. oh, yeah and the go ahead that john mccain -- in fact -- went on actually to call at it disservice to raise this issue. >> so we have done i think a disservice to a lot of americans by make them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. >> by the way, what have republicans done for the past five or six years? making their terrified that the government is going to take your guns....
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. >> brown: and south carolina senator lindsey graham accused his colleagues of using a double standard. >> i don't remember any of you coming down here suggesting that president bush was going to kill anybody with a drone. you know, i don't even remember the harshest critics of president bush on the democratic side. they had a drone program back then. >> brown: at the white house, spokesman jay carney underscored the constitutional limitations on the president's power. >> the president swore an oath to uphold the constitution, and he is bound by the law. whether the lethal force in question is a drone strike or a gunshot, the law and the constitution apply in the same way. >> brown: and this afternoon, attorney general holder sent paul a new letter. in it, he said: senator paul declared himself satisfied with that answer. >> so, i am very pleased to have gotten this response back from the attorney general of the united states, and i think that americans should see this battle that we've had in the last 24 hours as something that's good for the country. >> brown: shortly thereafter, the
. >> brown: and south carolina senator lindsey graham accused his colleagues of using a double standard. >> i don't remember any of you coming down here suggesting that president bush was going to kill anybody with a drone. you know, i don't even remember the harshest critics of president bush on the democratic side. they had a drone program back then. >> brown: at the white house, spokesman jay carney underscored the constitutional limitations on the president's power....
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lindsey graham offered some background yesterday afternoon. >> the president called senator mccain and myself a couple of weeks ago, and senator mccain was his opponent, as you all thou know, in 2008. i see the president reaching out. the dinner that was supposed to be quiet is sad that it makes news. >> he's right about that. graham's closest friends were on the list. graham also included republican senators who have a particular interest in the budget debate, so that included pat toomey. graham is the only senator up for re-election in 2014. miguel rodriguez was there. vice president biden, not at the dinner. maybe this is the start of a new outreach. in his first term, mr. obama's outreach to republicans was sporadic at best and though the president bristles when that's pointed out -- >> i promise you, we invite folks from congress over here all the time. and when they choose to come, i enjoy their company. sometimes they don't choose to come, and that has to do with the fact that i think they don't consider the optics useful for them politically. >> the fact of the matter is the wh
lindsey graham offered some background yesterday afternoon. >> the president called senator mccain and myself a couple of weeks ago, and senator mccain was his opponent, as you all thou know, in 2008. i see the president reaching out. the dinner that was supposed to be quiet is sad that it makes news. >> he's right about that. graham's closest friends were on the list. graham also included republican senators who have a particular interest in the budget debate, so that included pat...
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agreeing with lindsey graham kind of creeps me out. he told the truth right? >> as i said, democrats are -- progressives conservatives libertarians greens, you know, pretty much most americans think the idea of giving the executive branch unlimited carte blanche to kill people is a bad and dumb idea. neocons, lindsey graham is a neocon so bingo. >> john: these republicans who didn't complain when bush was doing it and now they complain when obama was doing it. rand paul and his dad had been consistent. thom hartmann, you have the smartest radio show. thank you for coming on with us tonight. >> thank you john. >> john: see you soon. arkansas passes an abortion law that's so restrictive, it will definitely get struck down by the supreme court unless it doesn't. that's coming up. [ male announcer ] it's red lobster's lobsterfest our largest selection of lobster entrees like lobster lover's dream or new grilled lobster and lobster tacos. come in now and sea food differently. visit redlobster.com now for an exclusive $10 coupon on two lobsterfest entrees. >> john:
agreeing with lindsey graham kind of creeps me out. he told the truth right? >> as i said, democrats are -- progressives conservatives libertarians greens, you know, pretty much most americans think the idea of giving the executive branch unlimited carte blanche to kill people is a bad and dumb idea. neocons, lindsey graham is a neocon so bingo. >> john: these republicans who didn't complain when bush was doing it and now they complain when obama was doing it. rand paul and his dad...
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>> reporter: kelly ayotte with fellow republican senators lindsey graham condemned the statement that said the decision clearly contravenes the will of the american people land not go unchallenged. a family member of a 9/11 victim also weighed in. >> my concern is that a guy likes this comes to a civilian court. he is put away. hopefully he would be convicted. but it wouldn't, it's not, it's conspiracy. it's not murder. >> the white house today defended the record of terrorist conviction in federal court. pointing to the times square bomber and the underwear bomber, now both serving life sentencing. >> there is broad consensus across the united states government. at the department of defense. the department of justice. department of homeland security. intelligence community agrees that the best way to protect our national security interest is to prosecute abu ghaith in the court. >> reporter: an officer doubt that it meets the requirement of military tribunal. >> sorry, he can't be charged with material support for terrorism, which can carry a life sentence, because that disallowed as
>> reporter: kelly ayotte with fellow republican senators lindsey graham condemned the statement that said the decision clearly contravenes the will of the american people land not go unchallenged. a family member of a 9/11 victim also weighed in. >> my concern is that a guy likes this comes to a civilian court. he is put away. hopefully he would be convicted. but it wouldn't, it's not, it's conspiracy. it's not murder. >> the white house today defended the record of terrorist...
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john mccain and lindsey graham say he's ridiculous for what he did yesterday. there seems to be an emerging split among these republicans in the senate. what do you make of this? >> i think van also slipped in a reference to the devil in there too, but we can ignore that for a moment. you know, wolf, it's true. there is a split in the republican party, there's a split in the democratic party. senator diane finestein, the californian democratic was one of the most vociferous objectors to the president's drone program. i support a vigorous approach abroad, using drones to kill terrorists. i draw the line, like rand paul does, at home when it comes to defending the american people, we do not use the military on american soil, particularly against americans. and so i thought what rand paul did was a great wake-up bell for the nation, to focus a spotlight on a problem that's something we should talk about. and one of the worst mistakes we made in the bush administration was after september 11th, we were so worried about preventing next attack, we did everything thro
john mccain and lindsey graham say he's ridiculous for what he did yesterday. there seems to be an emerging split among these republicans in the senate. what do you make of this? >> i think van also slipped in a reference to the devil in there too, but we can ignore that for a moment. you know, wolf, it's true. there is a split in the republican party, there's a split in the democratic party. senator diane finestein, the californian democratic was one of the most vociferous objectors to...
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. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every other whipstitch blaming republicans we just want to eliminate these taxes for the rich. what is he talking about? he's been talking about on the campaign trail shutting down the oil and gas industry in kansas, shutting down agriculture, lending institutions, et cetera, et cetera, all sorts of executive orders and regulations. in terms of tax reform and the loopholes, where are they? what's the plan? where's the list? >> well, would you be able to get into negotiations? >> i'm always ready to get into negotiations. i know numbers are important but the policy is an important as well. yeah, we want to do that.
. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every...
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. >> michael: well, when mccain is somewhere, lindsey graham can't be far behind. he also took to the floor incredibly to defend the president he once called tone deaf and a failed commander in chief. >> there are a thousand examples of a failed presidency, but there's also some agreement. i congratulate him for having the good judgment to understand we're at war, and to my party i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer think that we're at war. >> michael: the conservative media agrees. the wall street journal editorial addressed to rand paul quote, calm down, senator mr. holder is right. the u.s. government can't randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. senator paul shot right back on cnn this morning. >> the wall street journal is right on a lot of issues and they're wrong on this issue. the problem is if i call an enemy combatant how do we know if you are or aren't? >> michael: to answer that question eric holder has come in. he said, it came to my attention that you asked an additional question. if you does the president have the author
. >> michael: well, when mccain is somewhere, lindsey graham can't be far behind. he also took to the floor incredibly to defend the president he once called tone deaf and a failed commander in chief. >> there are a thousand examples of a failed presidency, but there's also some agreement. i congratulate him for having the good judgment to understand we're at war, and to my party i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer think that we're at war. >> michael: the conservative...
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he's joined by senator lindsey graham. i think in many ways perhaps the most vocal voice on the hill is that of senator mccain. host: let's hear from general james madison head of u.s. central command he was on capitol hill this week this past tuesday and was asked if he thinks the u.s. should provide lethal assistance. >> chairman, the situation is so complex that i have to get some degree of confidence that the weapons that we would be arming them with are not going to people who are our enemies. and that would be the one caveat that i would put on any military advice to go forward along those lines. we don't want to inadvertently with the best of intentions arm people who are basically sworn enemies. >> you say you would have to get some degree of confidence in order to make that recommendation. as of this time do you have that level of confidence yet? >> i do not, chairman. but i have not been tasked at this mission so i've not looked deeply into this yet, either. host: with this comes a tweet for our guest. what is th
he's joined by senator lindsey graham. i think in many ways perhaps the most vocal voice on the hill is that of senator mccain. host: let's hear from general james madison head of u.s. central command he was on capitol hill this week this past tuesday and was asked if he thinks the u.s. should provide lethal assistance. >> chairman, the situation is so complex that i have to get some degree of confidence that the weapons that we would be arming them with are not going to people who are...
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now, lindsey graham said i fully support the administration's opinion on drones overseas and suppose we had patriot missiles available, a military solution on 9/11, we would have taken those planes out, yes, we would have lost the lives on the plane, but saved the lives in the building. sometimes you can't rule out the military, even in the u.s., and he and holder agree on that. as i say, no member of the judiciary committee today where he was testifying completely said no, we shouldn't use drones in the u.s. against an american citizen. >> there's some people holding up signs protesting drones, there's a contingent of people that believe it immoral, yet in every public poll, this is the rare thing which partisans tend to agree, 60%, 70% support the use of drones to get suspected terrorists. how much do the politics of this play in, pete, that politicians are well aware that this is a policy that is wildly popular in the country. in terms of developing strictures and further rules and asking for more information? >> i think that may be part of it, but this is something that doesn't g
now, lindsey graham said i fully support the administration's opinion on drones overseas and suppose we had patriot missiles available, a military solution on 9/11, we would have taken those planes out, yes, we would have lost the lives on the plane, but saved the lives in the building. sometimes you can't rule out the military, even in the u.s., and he and holder agree on that. as i say, no member of the judiciary committee today where he was testifying completely said no, we shouldn't use...
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on thursday mccain and lindsey graham, as you know, skewered mr. paul, particularly his filibuster. so who wins this rare old tussle? is it the old guard or the new guard? >> it is an interesting establishment gop versus this tea party gop -- >> who wins? >> you know, i think rand paul within the conservative bubble comes out looking better. now, obviously to you and me we listen to it and graham and mccain are making more sense. rand paul is fighting a good fight against a problem that does not exist, a wild hypothetical that has not happened, perhaps never will happen. part of the gop's program of like real solutions for fake problems. americans in restaurants can rest assured that they will not be droned. >> i hope jane fonda knows that. >> especially if they're not combatants against america. so they can be comfortable tonight and into the future. but like rand paul 2016 is actually looking better. is he going to win the nomination? probably not. is he going to be president? certainly not. but he can be a player in 2016 and doing that thing we've seen in the primaries where you
on thursday mccain and lindsey graham, as you know, skewered mr. paul, particularly his filibuster. so who wins this rare old tussle? is it the old guard or the new guard? >> it is an interesting establishment gop versus this tea party gop -- >> who wins? >> you know, i think rand paul within the conservative bubble comes out looking better. now, obviously to you and me we listen to it and graham and mccain are making more sense. rand paul is fighting a good fight against a...
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. >> tell that to face the nation was john mccain and his brother or boyfriend, lindsey graham were on side by side on face the nation. he appeared saying that kim at just 28 years old the north korean dictator is a great guy, he is not his father. he wants president obama to call him. he thinks they could break the ice with basketball. >> jamal: okay. >> that would solve all of the world's problems. >> jamal: i'm an old detroit piston's fan, but i have a soft spot for dennis rodman. so i can't go too negative on dennis rodman. >> let's send rick mahorn to syria. let's send bill lambeard to iran. >> laura sil verman's attempt to be the first nfl kicker did not last long. he is injured her leg while kicking. she kicked just two tryouts, she then called it quits, saying she hopes to try another time. >> wow. the 14-yard kick is a pretty tough way to day bu. >> i know y'all are going to get mad at me for saying this because i a feminist i love women, i have all of their albums. but women should not be playing football. >> yeah. >> i will watch women's soccer women's basketball women's sof
. >> tell that to face the nation was john mccain and his brother or boyfriend, lindsey graham were on side by side on face the nation. he appeared saying that kim at just 28 years old the north korean dictator is a great guy, he is not his father. he wants president obama to call him. he thinks they could break the ice with basketball. >> jamal: okay. >> that would solve all of the world's problems. >> jamal: i'm an old detroit piston's fan, but i have a soft spot for...
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graham appeared to give wriggle room with revenue or reform to the tax code. >> he did. and then speaker boehner does the opposite and so the challenge here is, who are you negotiating with? i think part of the smart strategy in terms of the white house and what they're doing is, listen, if we can't negotiate with the leadership and it's clearly not been very productive, let's try to negotiate with the rank and file members and see where there's common ground and then build momentum from the bottom up on the leaders. >> april, real quick. i want to read what john dickerson of "slate" and saying early in his first term, he, meaning the president, reached out to senators grassley, snowe, collins and specter in the negotiations and tried a back room deal to secure the support of nebraska senator ben nelson. while obama may not be very good at trying to work congress, he may only have done it in fits and starts but you can't say he hasn't tried. so that's the focus of trying with republicans. has he done the same with democrats, april? >> democrats are saying that they are n
graham appeared to give wriggle room with revenue or reform to the tax code. >> he did. and then speaker boehner does the opposite and so the challenge here is, who are you negotiating with? i think part of the smart strategy in terms of the white house and what they're doing is, listen, if we can't negotiate with the leadership and it's clearly not been very productive, let's try to negotiate with the rank and file members and see where there's common ground and then build momentum from...
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now, again, john mccain, republican from arizona, lindsey graham, republican from south carolina, have both said over the weekend on the sunday talk shows that they are holding out the possibility of still holding up the john brennan confirmation vote. my guess is at the end of the day they don't particularly after you see some of these concessions from the white house, so my guess is brennan does go through later in the week, and at that point, andrea, you now have all of the major no, ma'am nags that the president made in terms of his cabinet level offices. they all went through. they didn't go through probably exactly as he planned. chuck hagel may be more contentious, although my guess is they knew it was going to be contentious, but john kerry, chuck hagel, jack lew, and now likely john brennan, so the president is getting the cabinet that he wanted, though, you know, the path toward it was a little bit of a roller coaster. >> owe think quite a bit of a roller coaster, i would say, about chuck hagel, and he still has to prove that he hasn't been damaged internally at the pentagon
now, again, john mccain, republican from arizona, lindsey graham, republican from south carolina, have both said over the weekend on the sunday talk shows that they are holding out the possibility of still holding up the john brennan confirmation vote. my guess is at the end of the day they don't particularly after you see some of these concessions from the white house, so my guess is brennan does go through later in the week, and at that point, andrea, you now have all of the major no, ma'am...
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did you see john mccain and his southern bell, lindsey graham? oddly enough, they were on -- don't speak to me that way. >> oh, my stars. i've never been spoken to that way in my life. i'll be on the fainting couch. >> stephanie: but they were once again saying they're not going to confirm the c.i.a. appoint until they get more on benghazi. more on "the washington post" piece. what else the president can do at this point? he needs a congress that he can work with. all right. more lindsey graham when we come back. andy i've never! 29 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." criticizing, and holding policy to the fire. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i am given to doing anyway. staying in tough with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the midd
did you see john mccain and his southern bell, lindsey graham? oddly enough, they were on -- don't speak to me that way. >> oh, my stars. i've never been spoken to that way in my life. i'll be on the fainting couch. >> stephanie: but they were once again saying they're not going to confirm the c.i.a. appoint until they get more on benghazi. more on "the washington post" piece. what else the president can do at this point? he needs a congress that he can work with. all...
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senator lindsey graham says the party of ronald reagan would never let this happen and john mccain says the cuts are unconscionable. >> we've got to stop spending and whatever it takes to start that process and we can come back and fix it. >> john: you want to fix it going on. >> that's right. >> john: are you comfortable this week knowing that this sequestration will occur? >> we've got to let it occur, yes. i'm comfortable with that. >> john: that day, with the sequester still two days away, homeland security officials announce they have released illegal immigrants from arizona detention facilities. are they releasing illegal aliens now? >> the white house supposedly didn't know about it-- >> wednesday the president invites congressional leaders to a last minute meeting on friday, the day the sequester hits. >> he hopes that they will have a constructive discussion about doing something to prevent sequestration. >> john: some republicans are suspicious. >> here we are 11th hour once again, the last minute, the president sweeps in. >> john: could a deal be in the works that would neutr
senator lindsey graham says the party of ronald reagan would never let this happen and john mccain says the cuts are unconscionable. >> we've got to stop spending and whatever it takes to start that process and we can come back and fix it. >> john: you want to fix it going on. >> that's right. >> john: are you comfortable this week knowing that this sequestration will occur? >> we've got to let it occur, yes. i'm comfortable with that. >> john: that day, with...
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john mccain, lindsey graham and suzanne collins. you only get to filibuster in extraordinary circumstances. and the three remaining parties to that deal in the senate this week, all voted to filibuster. caitlin halligan, saying extraordinary circumstances. >> do not get me started. because this deal that was entered into by republicans and democrats enabled republican nominees to be sent to the d.c. circuit. and we now have the situation where we've got the d.c. circuit in the hands of republican-pointed judges. this is important because we see -- >> after five years of a democratic -- >> yeah. >> we see invalidated air pollution rules. invalidated warning labels on cigarette packages, invalidated s.e.c. labels. republicans know that their judges on the d.c. circuit are going to do their bidding. it's plain and simple. and therefore, they are going to block any candidate to the d.c. circuit. it's a matter of maintaining -- >> so why are they winning? why do they win? why do they get more? >> because democrats are undisciplined. seri
john mccain, lindsey graham and suzanne collins. you only get to filibuster in extraordinary circumstances. and the three remaining parties to that deal in the senate this week, all voted to filibuster. caitlin halligan, saying extraordinary circumstances. >> do not get me started. because this deal that was entered into by republicans and democrats enabled republican nominees to be sent to the d.c. circuit. and we now have the situation where we've got the d.c. circuit in the hands of...
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including lindsey graham. >> i am encouraged by the president's outreach. i hope it bears fruit. >> white house spokesman jay carney says the president wants to talk about a grand bar gone budget deal. but also coming together on issues like immigration reform. >> the president is interested in, you know, finding the members of the caucus of common sense. >> the president is dining to close to a dozen rank and file republicans, a list that does not include boehner or senator republican leader mitch mcconnell. >> i wish he had done more over the years. we have had all of us limited interaction with the president. he doesn't have to go through me to call my members and i'm sure he will. >> the president has asked to meet separately next week with the caucuses of the house democrats, senate democrats, house republicans and senate republicans. the first time he has met with the republicans on the hill since 2010. >> bret: thank you. what has been characterized as major snowstorm is moving up the coast. it's not that bad in washington. more rain than snow. but i
including lindsey graham. >> i am encouraged by the president's outreach. i hope it bears fruit. >> white house spokesman jay carney says the president wants to talk about a grand bar gone budget deal. but also coming together on issues like immigration reform. >> the president is interested in, you know, finding the members of the caucus of common sense. >> the president is dining to close to a dozen rank and file republicans, a list that does not include boehner or...
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. >> talking about lindsey graham on the republican side, because it sounds like he's not talking to the leadership? >> he just had the leadership in on friday. what's most important we're not trying to make those calls to read out the names. he's making those calls to see where there might be a coalition of willing, a caucus for common sense and trying to build trust. he's going to be having a lot more conversations like that because he understands, as i think more and more republicans will understand, that it makes no sense to sit back and watch communities that depend on military spending devastated. it makes no sense to see us lose 750,000 jobs when we could come together in bipartisan compromise if we're all willing to give a little. >> let me ask you about jobs. when do you expect we will see enough jobs created to make a sizable dent in the unemployment rate which has been so stubbornly high. >> this is exactly the point we're making. right now you have seen some momentum in areas like housing and auto sales. you've started to see jobs created at a level that could slowly be b
. >> talking about lindsey graham on the republican side, because it sounds like he's not talking to the leadership? >> he just had the leadership in on friday. what's most important we're not trying to make those calls to read out the names. he's making those calls to see where there might be a coalition of willing, a caucus for common sense and trying to build trust. he's going to be having a lot more conversations like that because he understands, as i think more and more...
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the president just today, for example, invited 12 senators, including lindsey graham and suzie collins and ralph portman to the white house because he's not getting any reaction to republican leadership who choose not to work with him. john boehner 0 points to the white house and says let him do it. he says let senate do it. he is working around them and having a meeting with other senators to try to get something done. martha: let's take a look at what brit hume said about this last night. >> president obama's behavior in this business about the automatic budget cuts, this is some of the most peculiar behavior i've ever seen by a president. >> absolutely. >> this is not what we expect of presidents. presidents in the end are supposed to be the people who put on their big boy pants and are prepared to shoulder responsibility and if they are criticized for using that responsibility or authority so be it. but that's what you expect of presidents. this president seems more inclined to let the chips fall where they may and hit as hard as they might as long as he can blame something else. m
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. >>> and rand paul's 2016 star may be rising while john mccain and lindsey graham may be in deep you know what with conservatives. hey, this is challenger. i'll be waiting for you in stall 5. it confirms your reservation and the location your car is in, the moment you land. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz. i'm here in your home, having a pretty spectacular tuesday. ♪ but i don't notice the loose rug at the top of your stairs. and that's about to become an issue for me. ♪ and if you got the wrong home insurance coverage, my medical bills could get expensive. so get allstate. [ dennis ] good hands. good home. make sure you have the right home protection. talk to an allstate agent. so we created the extraordinarily comfortable sleep number experience. a collection of innovations designed around a bed with dualair technology that allows you
. >>> and rand paul's 2016 star may be rising while john mccain and lindsey graham may be in deep you know what with conservatives. hey, this is challenger. i'll be waiting for you in stall 5. it confirms your reservation and the location your car is in, the moment you land. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz. i'm here in your home, having a pretty spectacular tuesday. ♪ but i don't notice the loose rug at the top of your stairs. and that's about to...
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. >> unless you talk to john mccain or lindsey graham. >> with some exceptions. >> let's pivot to the other big story this week. i'm sure you all saw governor romney give his first interview. take a listen to just a snippet from that interview. >> a long and blistering primary where people are attacking one another and where the attacks are sometimes not on the mark but are creating an unfavorable impression, those things are not helpful. >> and he also went on to talk about the debates, those things are not helpful. kind of an understatement there, to say the least. >> says the man who eviscerated any number of candidates along the way. you ask newt gingrich how he feels about how those primaries went. ask rick perihow it was to stand next to mitt romney when he was in full attack mowed. somebody's gonna say something bad about you. it happens. >> he didn't sound like he was totally over the loss yesterday. >> no, he sounded really disappointed. he said it kills me that i'm not in the white house to work on fixing the country's problems. i believe that. i believe that he genuinely th
. >> unless you talk to john mccain or lindsey graham. >> with some exceptions. >> let's pivot to the other big story this week. i'm sure you all saw governor romney give his first interview. take a listen to just a snippet from that interview. >> a long and blistering primary where people are attacking one another and where the attacks are sometimes not on the mark but are creating an unfavorable impression, those things are not helpful. >> and he also went on to...
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lindsey graham says it's about time. >> the fact there is a lot of interest in a dinner between the president and a handful of republican senators is a pretty good statement about where we're at as a nation. not blaming anybody because it takes both parties to get $16 trillion in debt. ths going to take both parties to get out. >> some interesting polling causing some to say is this the president on his knees to the republicans? "outfront" tonight, former campaign spokesman for the president and terry holt, former press secretary for the bush cheney campaign. this comes five days after the republicans refused to cave on the spending cuts. they view it as a win. democrats say they will live to regret that. but is the white house now caving to republicans? saying look, we need you more than you need us? let's have a dinner. >> let's look at where the president is. he still hasn't submitted a budget because he know es he can't get it through the senate and the senate hasn't proposed a budget in years and so, the president is in a pretty tough spot and has invited these republicans to dinner beca
lindsey graham says it's about time. >> the fact there is a lot of interest in a dinner between the president and a handful of republican senators is a pretty good statement about where we're at as a nation. not blaming anybody because it takes both parties to get $16 trillion in debt. ths going to take both parties to get out. >> some interesting polling causing some to say is this the president on his knees to the republicans? "outfront" tonight, former campaign...
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. >> and i'd like to ask senator lindsey graham about this killing americans sitting at a cafÉ, which he seems to condone. senator lindsey graham was one of the torture memo proponents now is a proponent for the assassins known for killing now american citizens, he said. so we got a lot to hold the congress accountable for, not doing things, not providing transparency, not shutting down the government to get after these memos. i mean, there are ways to go after, getting the memos. finally, finally. >> [inaudible] >> senator feinstein said after the bringing hearing, politico was saying she was unaware of reports that the cia was counting military age males as militants when they were killed by drone strikes. six months after this was reported by "the new york times." on may 29, 2012. six months. senator feinstein. chairs intelligence community unaware of all the reported in a new times on a major exposÉ on drone strikes. >> an area that is part of her official responsibility. >> are we supposed to be -- [inaudible] >> thank you for allowing us to exercise our first amendment. >> you'
. >> and i'd like to ask senator lindsey graham about this killing americans sitting at a cafÉ, which he seems to condone. senator lindsey graham was one of the torture memo proponents now is a proponent for the assassins known for killing now american citizens, he said. so we got a lot to hold the congress accountable for, not doing things, not providing transparency, not shutting down the government to get after these memos. i mean, there are ways to go after, getting the memos....
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mitch mcconnell's filibuster -- and john mccain and lindsey graham were screaming for these because they were saying this is a national security emergency. at least give the executive more discretion. mitch mcconnell himself stopped both those bills along with the democratic bill. harry reid said i'll give you two republican bills if you'll just let us vote on this one democratic replace bill. i think that the republican party has allowed the rand paul wing to trump the national security wing. absolutely. >> there's another piece to that, though. the continuing resolution is something that sounds like everybody has agreed not to fight over. in large part, i think from the right because it's going to give the pentagon more leeway to decide where these cuts happen, and so everybody can agree, okay, republicans get what they want. the president doesn't want to renegotiate or relitigate another budget fight three weeks after this one. i just doubt, you know -- i doubt that we're going to actually see any movement on this at all before 2014. i mean, i think that the sequester is going to happ
mitch mcconnell's filibuster -- and john mccain and lindsey graham were screaming for these because they were saying this is a national security emergency. at least give the executive more discretion. mitch mcconnell himself stopped both those bills along with the democratic bill. harry reid said i'll give you two republican bills if you'll just let us vote on this one democratic replace bill. i think that the republican party has allowed the rand paul wing to trump the national security wing....
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graham, are putting down rand paul because he isn't one of them and he dared to question the use of u.s. military power in this case against individual citizens. where are you, a man of the left, on this one? >> well, on the subject of drones, and this is a very interesting thing to watch this divide among the republicans whereas you say the establishment, which is reflexively pro-military on the republican side, is running up against the new tea party republicans who aren't to reflexively pro-military who are ideologically libertarian and see threats to civil liberties where some progressive lefties might also. i, too, am troubled like rand paul, like a stopped clock occasionally he's right and on the use of drones -- >> i used that phrase yesterday. did you watch last night because i said a broken clock is right twice a day. >> i didn't see that. great minds think alike. >> it's yours, too. let me go to cynthia -- if you want to finish that thought go ahead. rand paul can be pretty wacky. he's talking about the united states government hitting somebody in a cafe, i imagine a cafe
graham, are putting down rand paul because he isn't one of them and he dared to question the use of u.s. military power in this case against individual citizens. where are you, a man of the left, on this one? >> well, on the subject of drones, and this is a very interesting thing to watch this divide among the republicans whereas you say the establishment, which is reflexively pro-military on the republican side, is running up against the new tea party republicans who aren't to...
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senator john mccain and lindsey graham both lablasted him for his filibuster, suggested it was not serious here is the sample of mccain's criticism and you will hear paul's response. >> somehow to allege that the united states of america our government would drop a drone hell fire missile on jane fonda, that is that brings the scrfertion a serious conversation u.s. policy to the realm of ridiculous. >> this was a very serious question. it was a question that took me a month and a half to get an answer to. >> meanwhile the top republican and democrat democratic leaders in the united states senate praised senator paul for his strong convictions and his stamina. shep? >> shepard: mike emanuel on capitol hill. thanks. remember, the north koreans saying we don't want to do war? that's over. north korea is now officially threatening to nuke washington, d.c. and in response, the united states is fully capable of defending itself against any north korean missile attack. that promise from both the state department and the white house just hours after this threat from the north korean to launch a pr
senator john mccain and lindsey graham both lablasted him for his filibuster, suggested it was not serious here is the sample of mccain's criticism and you will hear paul's response. >> somehow to allege that the united states of america our government would drop a drone hell fire missile on jane fonda, that is that brings the scrfertion a serious conversation u.s. policy to the realm of ridiculous. >> this was a very serious question. it was a question that took me a month and a...
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in 2014, will this be the undoing of linds lindsey graham splil career? maybe not. shifted the terms of debate within the republican party and you've seen a lot of main stream republicans, including marco rubio, mitch mcconnell join with rand paul and that was an important moment and we'll see how that plays out in the coming years. >>> we'll take a quick break and pay some bills. back in a moment with a look at 42 at doma and what that mix might mean for marriage equality. this is...